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America, Divided Into Four Big Pieces (Figuratively)

One of the arguments about the divided country in which we live is that it is really two countries, with very different beliefs and values.

George Packer, author of several books and staff writer at The Atlantic, argues that there are really four. They are: Free America, Smart America, Real America, and Just America.

Which one do you think you live in, or would like to?

Packer gives the traits of each of the Americas in his book "Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal." We pick the author's brain about his constructs, and whether he thinks it is still possible for them to occupy the same space.

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