The rest of the country tends to think of Oregon as a damp place with lots and lots of evergreen trees. Which is true in some areas.
But much of the state is actually high desert, and the Oregon Natural Desert Association is all about preserving the wild spaces in the high and dry country.
And in addition to its general focus, ONDA is thinking ahead to working on restoration projects at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, once the militants go home. Conservation Director Dan Morse is our guest.