Depending on how you measure it, Oregon's high school graduation rate is either the worst in the country, or just near the bottom.
Neither version provides any solace for educational leaders, who clearly have some work to do.
Nancy Golden is Oregon's Chief Education Officer, responsible for a system now aimed at education from birth to career.
She joins us to talk about the factors in the poor graduation performance, and the plans to improve it.
FOLLOW: To the question about what Oregon's graduation rate was before the cuts induced by Ballot Measure 5 in 1990, here's one answer: no difference.