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Is it tyranny, or just keeping order?

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Americans are fond of saying they would never abide tyranny, but history is filled with tales of societies that made similar claims... and then fell into tyranny.

One person's tyranny is another person's "putting the right people in power."

Fresno State professor Andrew Fiala knows the history and the philosophy, and shares it with the rest of us in his book Tyranny from Plato to Trump: Fools, Sycophants, and Citizens.

We get insights into how people gain great power, and how societies enable them, in a visit with the author.

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The Jefferson Exchange is Jefferson Public Radio's daily talk show focused on news and interests across our region of Southern Oregon and Northern California. John Baxter is the senior producer, Angela Decker is the producer and Geoffrey Riley hosts the show.