For a guy who is around water a lot, Tim Palmer seems like he's thirsty. But thirsty for more experiences with the beautiful and wild places of the west.
Tim is the author of Field Guide to Oregon Rivers, Field Guide to California Rivers, and many other books.
He recently weighed in on the Malheur wildlife refuge trial with a column in the Oregonian spelling out his view of the value of public lands (hint: it stays public).
He joins us for another chat about the value of the places around us, and what we can do to make best use of them.