You can get all kinds of college degrees studying religion.
But until a few years ago, there was no secular studies program by that name anywhere in the United States.
Pitzer College in Southern California started the first such program, with Phil Zuckerman as its head.
The program "neither applauds nor condemns" secularism, but the program's presence cheers secular segments of society.
Dr. Zuckerman visits The Jefferson Center in Ashland for a couple of events this week (March 12-13), and drops by the studio to talk about his work, including comparisons of secular vs religious morality.