We've come a long way in a short time on the issue of race in America, and it's been an ugly journey. It was a surprisingly short journey from thinking of ourselves as a "post-racial" country to the calls of "Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville in 2017.
None of this surprised the writer Vegas Tenold, because he spent years buddying up to white supremacists and their fellow travelers.
It resulted in a book, Everything You Love Will Burn: Inside the Rebirth of White Nationalism in America.
This interview was one of the more notable ones from 2018, and we replay it here.